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Self-Certification Is Not a Real Thing

Training, competence, and impartiality are just a few of the benefits of accredited certification

Denise Robitaille
Wed, 02/12/2014 - 17:55
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Every once in a while we hear of a company that claims to have a self-certification to ISO 9001—or some other management system standard. The company “certifies” that its organization conforms to the requirements of ISO 9001. It sounds pretty good until you start to ask what this self-certification actually means.

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For a quality management system (QMS) to be considered certified, the certificate must be received from an independent, accredited certification body upon completion of an assessment against specific documented criteria. It’s possible to be certified by an unaccredited certification body, but these certificates are of questionable value since they don’t carry the backing of an accreditation body. (More about this later.)

For the time being, we’ll assume that certification means by an accredited certification body. Without the certification body, there’s no unbiased appraisal and no evidence that a thorough assessment has even been conducted by competent individuals. Bottom line: There is no such thing as self-certification. It’s just an attractive catchphrase with no substance.

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Submitted by patnclaire on Tue, 02/25/2014 - 10:02

Bogus Certifications

They do more than de-value work of real auditors. Using unaccredited certifications to represent your level of expertise is like using counterfeit fasteners on a Boeing 787. One minute your are flying along at 500 mph and the next minute you are free-falling 30,000 feet to the earth. It is like using counterfeit money to pay for goods or services. Somebody gets cheated.

I once worked, in succession, for two firms who wanted me to assess their CMM level of practice. They wanted me to find that the IT departments were performing at Level 5 (scale of 1 to 5). For each company, I did a careful audit and wrote up the findings. I made it clear that it was an internal audit and carried no weight outside of the company. At best it would give the executives some direction for process improvement. I do not know if the executives ever used the findings at the first company. I went to the Persian Gulf War I in 1990 and my job was not held for me. Neither of the companies liked my report that they were at a Level 2 or Level 3 and needed process improvement. The second company did undertake process improvement and managed to institute several working teams that resulted in what one manager called "Isolated pockets of success." The company's software engineers wrote better software afterwards. Both of the experiences were an eye-opener for me. I saw the same tendencies at a third company I was at, later on. I offered some unsolicited advice and kept out of the way. I do not know what transpired.

You wrote a good, concise, comprehensive article on this topic.

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Submitted by dvanputten on Wed, 02/26/2014 - 10:26

In reply to Bogus Certifications by patnclaire

Of course self certification is a real thing

Of course sellf certification is a real thing. And unaccredited certificates are still certifications. This debates revolves around operational definitions and models. 

The connotation of always, never, etc. related to these concepts is also based on assumptions about what model you are referring to, the situation, the context, defintions of terms, etc. 

I have studied analyzed my employer's quality system 5 days a week for 10 years. Our third party auditors study it for 2 days a year. I have studied quality standards for 18 years. My conclusions are less reliable than the 3rd party auditors in every case? 

We cannot expect certainty in an uncertain world with open systems. If we accept the PDSA concept, the fact that the processes in a system are inter-related and interact, and that open systems inter-relate and interact with each other, then we need to think about the relativity of things, context, defintions, models, variables, etc. 

Thank you, Dirk

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Submitted by ken kaniecki on Tue, 02/25/2014 - 10:39

Self-Certification Is Not a Real Thing but may be practical

Hello Denise,

Love your articles and always look forward to reading them.

The actual certificate approach only has a marginal edge versus self certification or conformance in my opinion.

I work for a medium sized manufacturing company who holds over 60 different quality system and product approval certifications for many years now. Our certificate portfolio is across many auditors, registration bodies, and accreditation organizations. All of which are unique in their own way even if they work to a common industry standard.

I can't blame the "self conformists" for taking the position. The reason is customers still insist that even though you hold 60 different certificates, they cannot buy from you until their auditors conduct a QA audit of your system. The next scenario is customer has audited your QA system but still needs a EN 10204 3.2 certificate stamped by a third party.

In short, spending thousands of dollars annually on actual certificates may not get you ANY direct acceptance from customers. This is much like the self-conformance position but without the certification cost.

Of course, there is a myriad of other improvements to system, product, and service that certificate holders will reap over the self conformist approach when comparing the two as stand alones. It is just that for face value holding a legitimate certificate is not much more than the self-conforming position.

Thanks for the great articles and keep them coming!

Ken Kaniecki

 

 

 

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Submitted by UpsetAuditManager (not verified) on Thu, 02/13/2020 - 11:23

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Sorry Denise, Your article here is so short-sighted, naive and completely wrong.  Having been audited for over 20 years at one of the world's largest companies, the one thing I have realized is that the registrars you so elevate in your article are useless!!

In the last 5 years, our registrar has conducted over 20 audits, a total of about 100 audit days and there have been 3 OFIs logged.  Most of the time these auditors come in and don't even know how to apply the standard.

Bottom line the 'certification' you so cherish is a sham.  I see absolutely NO VALUE in it, except to have the PDF posted on a website!  They add no value.

The internal audit program of our company and its auditors outshine any of those from most registrars.  

While "self-certification" is not a real thing; "Self declaration of conformance" can, and in our case, is an exponentially better measure of our QSM!!!

The IATF, ISO, ANAB, etc. need to evolve into the times!  The idea that these auditors and the methods and requirements of these bodies are meaningful is a farce!  

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